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Hard Dodger - Composite Material Selection

by ryanonthebeach 22. July 2009 06:24

 

This is the second post on building a hard dodger, go to building a hard dodger for the first post.

Looking into building a hard dodger for my catamaran, I've entered into the composite material labyrinth. When you deviate from wood, there are quite a daunting number of products and combinations of them to choose from. That said, the advantages of composites are clear, well tested and documented. The primary advantage of composites are weight and maintenance, because the displacement, whether it be a planing, semi-displacement or full displacement hull, is paramount to stability, speed and sea-kindliness. i.e. you overload and you're going to have issues and lighter equals faster.

 

Front View of hard dodger 1

Core Selection

 

There are quite a number of cores to choose from starting with wood and going through to foam and honeycomb. For the current project I've been looking into foam because it's easy to shape and light. Yes, I will probably have to make the supports a little thicker but bear in mind that water resistance is many times wind resistance, and a catamaran because of her slender hulls is sensitive to weight. Air density is 1.225 kg/m^3 (0.076 lb/ft^3) whereas sea water is around 1030 kg/m^3 (64.3 lb/ft^3). So to state the obvious water is going to slow you down a hell of a lot quicker than air. But then, as always, it's a trade off.


With some help from Bruce and friends in Bangkok, I've come down to the following using 6 lb/ft^3 (90 kg/m^3) Divinycell T100. I was looking at Last-A-Foam but read some bad reviews on the aircraft building forums of it turning to powder over time, not sure of the reasons for this but I guess it could be UV and/or vibration. Besides, the price difference isn't all that much. Divinycell is however, cross linked, so needs to be thermo formed if you're looking to bend it to shape or alternatively you can buy scored sheets which have which have various types of cuts into the board to allow it to bend to a curve.

I would love to be able to sit and calculate the necessary size supports and combinations of materials that'll handle the loads to cut down the weight a bit, but unfortunately the amount of time to do this is just not feasible, so I've simply taken an example of a hard top build for a Prout catamaran provided by Bruce and friends.


Composite Panel Skin thickness

For skin, I'm looking into two layers of bi-axial cloth 600 gm/ 20 oz . Here again, besides varying the number of layers, there is a mind boggling amount of possible variations in choices in cloth; thickness, weaves and types.

Composite Dodger structure Weight

 

This is where composites shine brightest. For 3500 lb/in^3 (96 kg/cm^3) of foam we are looking at a weight of around 13lb/5.8kg. Man, don't you wish they would get rid of the imperial system?, problem is living in America all my measuring instruments are now imperial, with numbers like 2'3 6/8ths"+6'1/4" and the like cluttering my head, I thought mathematicians and scientists where about efficiency and results, well there is little doubt which is more efficient system. Ban imperialism!! But I digress. The structure has a

Composite Dodger Structure Cost Estimate

 

I've come up with the first breakdown of cost for the supports based on the surface area of the panels and the area, to work out how much foam, glass and epoxy is needed. This is only for the structure and solar panel supports. There will be additional costs for, material for covering the sides, thin plywood for some covering, paint, primer, solar panels, and mounts/bases for ancillary's I would like mounted e.g. radar mount, hooks for hanging lines, building in wire conduits, instrument and gage mount panel etc. Figured I might as well make use of the additional space.

I'm looking at around 3500 in^3 of foam and about 6000 in surface area for glass and epoxy. My costs are based on the current price of foam and a write up by west system that lays out the costs for the skin, this plus 20% fat. Odd pieces of Foam can easily be scarfed and jointed together so there should be less wastage than with wood, esp. if you want a nice even grain with wood.

Costs are estimated in USD to be $970.

Foam $625, Glass $175 and epoxy $70. Of course we can guess another $100 for the bits and bobs, like mixing and protective stuff for the epoxy. I'm told if you don't wear protective gear with epoxy, your babies will come out with at least three eyes.

Here are my calculations so far

 

qty

Length

width

height

Volume in^3

Surface

Core Weight

Glass & Epoxy Weight

Cost

Cost

Cost

                 

Epoxy

Glass

Core

width beams

4

53.5

0.5

2

214

539

0.743055508

1.162023217

4.46932

13.4079602

31.65416667

length beams

6

58

0.5

2

348

876

1.208333256

1.888557214

7.263682

21.79104478

51.475

Sit lap length

6

51.5

1

0.6

185.4

498

0.643749959

1.073631841

4.129353

12.3880597

27.42375

Sit lap width

4

56

1

0.6

134.4

360.8

0.466666637

0.777844113

2.991708

8.975124378

19.88

 

2

135

1

2

540

814

1.87499988

1.754892206

6.749585

20.24875622

79.875

Perp

3

82

1

2

492

744

1.708333224

1.6039801

6.169154

18.50746269

72.775

cross supports on arch

4

57

1

3

684

924

2.374999848

1.992039801

7.661692

22.98507463

101.175

forward

2

40

2

2

320

328

1.11111104

0.707131012

2.719735

8.15920398

47.33333333

forward side

2

33

2

2

264

272

0.916666608

0.586401327

2.25539

6.766169154

39.05

back

2

42

2

1

168

256

0.583333296

0.551907131

2.12272

6.368159204

24.85

back side

2

40

2

1

160

244

0.55555552

0.526036484

2.023217

6.069651741

23.66666667

Bases

8

1

2

1

16

40

0.055555552

0.086235489

0.331675

0.995024876

2.366666667

         

3525.8

5895.8

12.24236033

12.71067993

$48.89

$146.66

$521.52

           

weight

total

24.95304026

$73.33

$175.99

$625.83

                     

$875.15

                   

20% fat and extra for epoxy

 

The figures I'm working off are:

Density of foam lb/in^3

0.003472

Epoxy & glass weight per lb/in^2

0.002156

Core Cost per in^3

0.147917

Glass cost per in^2 surface

0.024876

Epoxy cost per in^2 surface

0.008292

 

I'll be updating with posts as this project progresses, we'll get to see how the estimates on cost and time match up with the actual.

 

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